HPG: Con đường thênh thang của Hòa Phát

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08/01/2018, 21:39

Mai đi mà xem. Thông tin đã bể rồi tăng trước mai chốt lời. Hòa phát êm êm thì tăng, chim lợn la ó là banh xác.

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Khi thông tin ra là giảm thôi, do mọi người chốt lời đó. Có thông tin rồi lời 7900 tỷ đó. Đọc báo đi.

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08/01/2018, 21:43

Uhm gi

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Mai đi mà xem. Thông tin đã bể rồi tăng trước mai chốt lời. Hòa phát êm êm thì tăng, chim lợn la ó là banh xác.

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Khi thông tin ra là giảm thôi, do mọi người chốt lời đó. Có thông tin rồi lời 7900 tỷ đó. Đọc báo đi.
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Uhm thì giảm. Giảm xong nó lại đi lên thôi.

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08/01/2018, 21:44

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Bìm bịp hót điên cuồng thế này. chuỗi ngày giảm mạnh của hoà phát chỉ loang quanh đâu đây thôi.
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phuclamca said: ↑

Mai đi mà xem. Thông tin đã bể rồi tăng trước mai chốt lời. Hòa phát êm êm thì tăng, chim lợn la ó là banh xác.

--- Gộp bài viết, Jan 8, 2018, Bài cũ: Jan 8, 2018 ---

Khi thông tin ra là giảm thôi, do mọi người chốt lời đó. Có thông tin rồi lời 7900 tỷ đó. Đọc báo đi.
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Đ.m! HPG giờ mà bị mấy bạn đạp cho đứt thẳng cẳng về 44-45 luôn nhể?! Nghĩ đến vậy thôi, tưởng tượng được nhặt lấy nhặt để... sướng đ.éo tả được!

Mơ mộng 1 tí thôi

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08/01/2018, 21:58

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HPG có thông tin lãi 7900 rồi mai giảm cho xem

Mấy àn rồi HPG có thông tinlà giảm hà.

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CTCP Chứng khoán Ngân hàng Công thương Việt Nam (CTS) vừa công bố báo cáo cập nhật về CTCP Tập đoàn Hòa Phát (HoSE: HPG).

LNST công ty mẹ năm 2017 ước đạt 7.901 tỷ đồng, tăng trưởng gần 20%
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Mịa, nếu vậy quí 4 nó lãi 2.4k tỷ riêng công ty mẹ, mai mà có giá đỏ mới lạ, lo mà đặt ato ngày mai đi bạn. Chim vừa phải thôi...

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08/01/2018, 22:08

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HPG có thông tin lãi 7900 rồi mai giảm cho xem

Mấy àn rồi HPG có thông tinlà giảm hà.

--- Gộp bài viết, Jan 8, 2018, Bài cũ: Jan 8, 2018 ---

CTCP Chứng khoán Ngân hàng Công thương Việt Nam (CTS) vừa công bố báo cáo cập nhật về CTCP Tập đoàn Hòa Phát (HoSE: HPG).
LNST công ty mẹ năm 2017 ước đạt 7.901 tỷ đồng, tăng trưởng gần 20%
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HPG ra tin 2017 lãi gần 8000 tỷ đồng, nên... HPG bị bán thảm khốc về 40 luôn!

Nghe thấy rất "logic" và "thời thượng", anh em nhỉ?

Năm nay báo lãi 10K tỷ, chắc cuối năm bị bán cho sml mà xem!

Năm sau nữa lại bị bán sml vì... lại báo lãi kỷ lục!!!

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08/01/2018, 22:11
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Cái này là của Mrs Alden chuyên gia tài chính người ta làm trong đó có chiết khấu 2.5 % lạm phát, Bài gốc ở đây, đây là chuyên gia chiến lược trong đó còn đề cập tới cả biên lợi ích khi rút vốn vẫn đảm bảo danh mục sinh lời trên cơ sở so sánh với kỳ vọng dư địa mà bản chất là trích lập dự phòng nếu cổ phiếu tốt bị quá mua (Max withdraw rate = Annual RoR – Annual Inflation Rate, So if your portfolio is growing at 6% per year, and inflation is 2.5% per year, then don’t withdraw more than 3.5% of your portfolio per year): https://www.lynalden.com/build-wealth/

How to Build Wealth Fast- This Chart Shows What it Takes

We all know that we need to spend less than we earn in order to build wealth.

But how about something more specific? Exactly how much do you need to save, and at what rate do you need to compound it at, in order to reach your goals?

Here’s a wealth matrix to help answer those questions.

If you have a certain level of wealth that you would like to achieve in the next 25 years, this chart shows you the combo of the monthly saving amount and the rate of return on your wealth that you’ll need to achieve that target:

Levels over $1 million are highlighted in green. Click here for a bigger image.

I made the matrix inflation-adjusted, using an assumption of 2.5% annual currency inflation over the period. For context, the US Federal Reserve aims for 2% inflation per year.

So when you see a million dollars on the table, it means a million dollars in terms of today’s purchasing power rather than like, the less-valuable inflated Monopoly-money of the future.

The monthly savings numbers are inflation-adjusted as well, so for example if you look at the row for saving $1k/month, it means continuing to save an inflation-adjusted $1k each month for the 25 year period.

How to Build Wealth
As the chart shows, if you want to build wealth, there are really only two things to get right:

Increase the difference between your income and expenses

Save that difference and grow it exponentially over time

That’s it.

And yet, the vast majority of people never build any serious wealth. Rather than getting rich over time, they just stay afloat decade after decade, moving through life spending as much as they make. At most, they build a small nest egg, and rely on the government or a pension to support them in retirement.

This article breaks those two key parts into smaller pieces, and provides a ton of detail on how to do both of them, starting today.

Continue reading from here, or jump to the section you want:

How to increase your income and save more money

How to achieve a high growth rate on your savings

How to produce passive investment income forever

Three specific wealth-building examples

Five tactics to become wealthy fast

Financial freedom calculator

How to Increase Your Income and Save More
Worrying about whether your wealth is growing by 6% or 8% per year won’t matter so much if you can’t make enough money to reliably save and invest each month.

Here’s an overview of three ways to earn enough income to start some serious wealth accumulation.

Option 1) Pick a high-paying job

The Bureau of Labor Statistics has a nice database of occupations that you can rank by median pay. If you click on individual professions, you can get detailed breakdowns of their median pay, including the pay associated with different subsets of those professions.

Around 125 professions pay over $75k/year. Physicians, lawyers, actuaries, nurse practitioners, engineers, managers, and other technical professions can easily break into the six figure range.

You also have to take into account the costs of education.

Surgeons and specialist physicians top the list of high-paying professions, but they require 12+ years of postsecondary education and fellowships before they start getting paid big money. MBAs and lawyers earn a lot of money too, especially from a top school, but those schools will cost $50k+ in annual tuition for 2-3 years, plus the opportunity cost of missing wages if you attend full-time.

Getting a bachelor’s degree in a technical profession like engineering (or an accelerated 5-year master degree), and then eventually getting a graduate degree or MBA part time on the job is one of the most efficient routes. You get to start making money early with less student debt, but can still eventually transition into management or project leadership.

Option 2) Make money with side hustles

Do you have a hobby or talent? If so, you might be able to do it as a side gig and earn an extra $5k-$50k or more on the side to complement your day job and increase your overall income.

Suppose someone makes $40k per year after tax, and has expenses of $30k per year. This only leaves her with $10k per year to save and invest and pay off debts.

However, if she can earn just $5k per year in side income after tax and keep her personal expenses the same as they are now, it would only boost her total income by 12.5% (from $40k to $45k), but it would increase her savings rate by a full 50% (from $10k to $15k)!

If you save an extra $5k per year, and invest it at just 7% per year, you’ll have $100k extra in your portfolio in 15 years after adjusting for inflation.

If you’re more ambitious, and can figure out how to pull in an extra $20k per year on the side after tax, and invest it at 8% per year, you’ll have $430,000 in extra money in 15 years. Again, inflation-adjusted.

Small or medium side gigs can seriously put you in the top 5% of people by wealth over time.

Internet side-gigs:

Freelance writing or editing

Freelance web design or coding

Freelance translation

Help out as a virtual assistant

Coaching, consulting, tutoring, marketing, copywriting, etc.

Offline side-gigs:

Work part-time as an adjunct professor at a local college

Become a part-time fitness or yoga instructor

Do freelance property management or handyman fix-ups

Be a part-time freelance private chef

Tax preparation, bookkeeping, watching kids or pets, tutoring,etc.

Some of these you can jump into quickly, while others may need an investment of time and money for training and certification.

I worked for a few years as a part-time martial arts instructor. I have two friends that have side gigs as adjunct professors, and one friend that prepares private meals for wealthy clients in their own homes a few times per month.

Option 3) Start a business, full or part time

The reason that so many millionaires are business founders is that successful entrepreneurship satisfies both aspects of wealth building: achieve a high income and achieve a high rate of return on your accumulated wealth.

A rather small percentage of people are going to start the next Facebook, but it doesn’t need to be that glamorous. If you know a trade, like plumbing or construction, you can eventually start your own contracting company and scale it up.

If you can provide a service, like marketing, consulting, fitness instruction, and so forth, you could eventually open your own place, hire people, and increase the scale beyond your own reach. If you coach something really well, you might be able to turn it into a digital course and sell it to more people.

I started a small online business in my senior year of college, ran it on the side for a while as I worked as an engineer, and sold it a few years later, and made enough money from it to pay off most of my student loans. That gave me a boost to get the wealth-snowball rolling.

How to Achieve a High Growth Rate on Your Savings
To invest money for high rates of return, you usually either need to take on increased risk, increased volatility, or decreased liquidity.

Here’s an overview of how to achieve your target rate of return. Usually you’ll want a blend of several of these asset classes for optimal diversification:

How to produce 0-4% annually:

Treasuries

Corporate bonds

Municipal bonds

Savings accounts

It used to be that savings accounts and treasury bonds would give you decent conservative returns, but not now.

Ten-year US treasuries and municipal bonds currently give about 2.5% annual returns, which almost entirely gets eaten away by inflation. Ten-year corporate bonds from companies with high credit ratings will give you about 3%. Shorter term treasuries and bonds will give even less.

The reason for this long-term reduction in fixed-income returns is that the Federal Reserve has lowered interest rates dramatically over the past few decades, and especially since the last recession:

Source: St Louis Federal Reserve

The interest rates for savings accounts, bonds, mortgages, loans, and other types of debt are extrapolated from the federal funds rate, which is the rate that banks can borrow at from each other over night.

The Federal Reserve increased interest rates 0.25% in 2015 and then again by another 0.25% this month. Most forecasts indicate that they will continue to inch it higher in 2017, but we can’t know for sure.

As long as interest rates remain at historically low levels, bonds will continue to be unimpressive investments in terms of their risk/reward ratio. If the federal funds rate moves a few full percentage points higher, up to at least 2% or so, and bonds begin returning substantially more than inflation, they’ll become more worthwhile again.

Bonds and savings accounts have a place in a conservative portfolio, but they’re not going to build you a ton of wealth over the long-term.

How to produce 4-8% annually:

Preferred stock

Peer-to-peer lending

Index funds

Historically, bonds provided returns in this range, but that’s not the case today.

In recent history, peer-to-peer lending has provided returns in this range instead.

And as described in more detail in this article, US equity returns from index funds and ETFs are likely to be lower over the next 10-20 years than they have been historically, since the market currently has a high cyclically-adjusted price-to-earnings ratio. (In other words, it’s overvalued). Expecting somewhere in the lower end of 4-8% returns would be reasonable.

How to produce 8-12% annually:

The historical rate of return of the S&P 500 fell in this range. It’s less likely to be that good over the next decade or two.

Going forward, smart investment strategies may achieve returns in this range, but it’ll be difficult. I believe the most likely paths to reaching this level going forward will be:

High-yielding dividend stocks with reasonable payout ratios and long histories of consistent annual dividend growth

Certain national indices, like perhaps the United Kingdom’s FTSE 100, since it’s not as highly-valued as the US stock market currently

High-quality Real Estate Investment Trusts and Master Limited Partnerships

Investment strategies employing the use of cash-secured puts and covered calls to give good returns even in overvalued markets

Certain alternative investments that offer decent returns in exchange for lower liquidity, like perhaps Fundrise.

How to produce 12-15% annually:

Top-quartile private equity

Direct real estate investing

Private equity often provides returns in this range, since private equity managers can actually change and improve the businesses they acquire, and they typically invest for years in order to achieve the transformations that they set out to accomplish.

If you’ve already got several million dollars lying around, investing in a reputable private equity fund may be a viable move. In exchange for low liquidity, your returns may be pretty high.

Perhaps ironically, there are also publicly-traded private equity funds that you can invest in, like Brookfield Business Partners. They do the same type of work as private equity (buying troubled businesses, transforming them to be more profitable, and then selling them or continuing to hold them, or strategically lending money to them), but the ownership of the fund is broken into little pieces and sold on a stock exchange.

There’s no guarantee that any private equity fund will achieve the same results over the next few decades as they have over the past few decades, though. And measuring private equity returns as a group hasn’t been very transparent, so it’s hard to know what percentage of private equity funds do well vs those that fail.

Highly successful private real estate investing, employing considerable use of mortgage leverage, also has a decent chance of achieving this range.

How to produce 15%+ annually:

Be a world-class investor

Start a successful business

History’s best investors have achieved long-term returns in this range. This includes top hedge funds, top private equity funds, billionaire investors, etc. Most people don’t come anywhere near this high with the stock market.

For example, Warren Buffett has grown the per-share book value of his company Berkshire Hathaway by an average of over 19% per year since 1965. It’s important to note, though, that he used financial leverage to achieve this return.

Seth Klarman has also achieved better than 15% annual returns over three and a half decades so far for his Baupost Group hedge fund.

Peter Lynch grew the Magellan Fund at a compounded 29% rate of return during his tenure from 1977 to 1990.

A more likely path to achieving returns in this range is to start your own business. The probability that you’ll be a world class investor is extremely low, but your chance of being able to create a highly profitable small business is not too bad.

Successful small and large businesses often achieve returns on equity that surpasses 15% per year. For small and highly scalable businesses like software or services, return on equity can exceed 30% or more in their early stages.
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08/01/2018, 22:16

Có 1 điều hơi buồn ở HPG là: Chưa bao giờ thấy tăng trần trong 1 ngày. Cao lắm tăng đc 3.5% là hết.

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08/01/2018, 22:18

Lần rồi công bố 9 tháng đó giảm thảm. Thị trường chứng khóan VN mà. Tin ra là bán, chỉ mấy tay mới chơi ngơ ngơ thì bị lừa thôi.

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Mai mua đỉnh chuẩn bị bán đáy.

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08/01/2018, 22:22

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Có 1 điều hơi buồn ở HPG là: Chưa bao giờ thấy tăng trần trong 1 ngày. Cao lắm tăng đc 3.5% là hết.
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08/01/2018, 22:26

Nó giảm là do ng ta chốt. Ng ta chốt xong có lực lượng khác dô thế, rồi giá lại lên vượt đỉnh cũ tiếp. Cp tăng trưởng mà chứ bộ rớt rồi ở đó luôn sao mà chym lợn. Sẵn tiện rớt ng ta còn mừng mua dô nữa chứ ai bán ra giá này

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